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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:03 AM



Ed Orgeron leaving the New Orleans Saints a relief to Coach Sean Payton

Posted by Mike Triplett and James Varney, The Times-Picayune January 01, 2009 9:31AM
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Defensive line coach Ed Orgeron is leaving the Saints for a job with the Tennessee Volunteers, declining a chance to work with LSU Coach Les Miles. The Saints confirmed the move, first reported Wednesday by The Times-Picayune.

A source close to Saints Coach Sean Payton indicated that Payton was relieved Orgeron was moving on after his interest with college jobs had become an increasing distraction the past several weeks.

Apparently, some within the organization felt Orgeron was more focused on his coaching future than his current job, and Payton grew tired of Orgeron juggling phone calls from LSU and Tennessee.

The source also suggested that Payton was not very pleased with the progress of the defensive line under Orgeron even before the LSU-Tennessee tug-of-war began, and he is looking forward to the opportunity to bring in a veteran defensive line coach with NFL experience.

Specifically, former Broncos defensive line coach Bill Johnson seems to be high on Payton's wish list to replace Orgeron. Johnson spent the past two years in Denver after six seasons with Atlanta and 21 years at the college level.

The line was supposed to be the strength of the Saints' defense this season, led by high-priced veteran ends Will Smith, Charles Grant and Bobby McCray and first-round draft pick, tackle Sedrick Ellis. But because of a rash of injuries, the Saints' front four was inconsistent, especially against the pass, and the team struggled defensively on the way to an 8-8 finish.

Orgeron decided to make the jump to the NFL last winter after being fired as coach at Ole Miss. At the time, Payton was excited about hiring Orgeron, who also was pursued by Dallas among other potential NFL suitors. But this season, he felt that Orgeron's unit vastly underperformed.

Orgeron's input played a role in the Saints' selection of Ellis, who had been recruited to Southern Cal by Orgeron when he was an assistant coach there. By all accounts, the Saints have been pleased with that selection and believe Ellis has great potential after an impressive rookie season.

Orgeron will be working for Lane Kiffin, his colleague at USC earlier this decade and the former coach of the Oakland Raiders, and Monte Kiffin, Lane's son and longtime defensive coordinator at Tampa Bay.

"I'm so excited," said Orgeron via text message to ESPN. "I get to coach with Monte (Kiffin), and I'm getting to recruit again. It's pedal to the metal, and I can't wait to get up there."

The news broke shortly before LSU played No. 14 Georgia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl on Wednesday night. The LSU community in Atlanta for the game was abuzz Tuesday night with speculation that Orgeron, a Louisiana native, could join Miles and form a powerful recruiting tandem.

LSU athletic officials tried to dampen enthusiasm over the Orgeron reports Tuesday night. The school cautioned the news was premature and said no arrangement had been finalized. Still, it was clear LSU was hoping Oregron would choose Baton Rouge.

Instead, Orgeron will join forces with Kiffin, who was hired to replace Phillip Fulmer in Knoxville.

The deciding factor appears to have been money. While it was rumored LSU was willing to spend in the neighborhood of $500,000, it is speculated Tennessee offered Orgeron nearly $900,000.

There was no official announcement by Tennessee on Wednesday.

It's the second consecutive year that LSU has been in Atlanta for an important game when rumors about its coaching staff have run rampant.

One year ago, when LSU played in the SEC championship game here, rumors swirled around Miles and the inaccurate announcement on ESPN that he was headed to his alma mater, Michigan. Miles called an emotional news conference before the game and said he was staying at LSU, finishing with, "Have a great day." It's an exit line that now adorns the rear of the Tigers' truck that carries the team's equipment to away games.

This time, the hot topic is Miles' coaching staff for next season. Early in the week, news broke that former Tennessee defensive coordinator John Chavis would accept the same position at LSU, and Tuesday night, word began to surface about Orgeron.

LSU will be bringing Chavis in to work into shape a defense that underperformed under the direction of co-defensive coordinators Bradley Dale Peveto and Doug Mallory, whom Miles promoted when Bo Pelini became coach at Nebraska.

Peveto already has accepted the job to become coach at Northwestern State, and Mallory said he will decide after the bowl game on whether to accept an offer to become defensive coordinator at New Mexico. There have been unconfirmed reports that Tigers defensive line coach Earl Lane also is entertaining offers from other schools.

There also is speculation that Marrero native Vance Joseph, currently secondary coach for the San Francisco 49ers, will be joining LSU's staff.

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Staff writer Mike Triplett contributed reported from New Orleans and staff writer James Varney reported from Atlanta.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:21 AM

QUOTE (Saints Fan in Austin @ Jan 1 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Ed Orgeron leaving the New Orleans Saints a relief to Coach Sean Payton

Posted by Mike Triplett and James Varney, The Times-Picayune January 01, 2009 9:31AM
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The source also suggested that Payton was not very pleased with the progress of the defensive line under Orgeron even before the LSU-Tennessee tug-of-war began, and he is looking forward to the opportunity to bring in a veteran defensive line coach with NFL experience.


Staff writer Mike Triplett contributed reported from New Orleans and staff writer James Varney reported from Atlanta.



Sound like the reason our Defense was unable to
pressuer QB's was due to injuries and Orgeron.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:43 AM

Bill Johnson

During his first year on the Broncos’ staff in 2007, Johnson instructed a defensive line that led the AFC (T-2nd in NFL) with nine takeaways as his group totaled seven fumble recoveries and two interceptions. Second-year defensive end Elvis Dumervil tied for sixth in the NFL with 12.5 sacks, which were the most by a Bronco in eight seasons, and tied for the league lead in takeaways (4) among defensivelinemen. Johnson also oversaw the development of defensive end Tim Crowder, whose four sacks tied for fifth among
league rookies.

Instructing the Falcons’ defensive line from 2001-06, Johnson helped the club post the seventh-highest sack total in the NFL (3rd in NFC) with 242 quarterback takedowns during that period. Atlanta twice ranked in the league’s top 10 in both fewest rushing yards per game and fewest rushing yards per carry allowed, doing so during the 2004 and 2006 campaigns.

Johnson also instructed two Pro Bowl selections during his time with Atlanta in defensive end Patrick Kerney (2004) and defensive tackle Rod Coleman (2005). Coleman’s 28 sacks under Johnson’s tutelage from 2004-06 marked the highest total by an NFL defensive tackle and were 7.5 more than the next closest player. Kerney tied for ninth in the league with 53 sacks while working with Johnson from 2001-06 and three times recorded at least 10 sacks in a season (2001-02 and ‘04).

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 11:49 AM

QUOTE (HM @ Jan 1 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sound like the reason our Defense was unable to
pressuer QB's was due to injuries and Orgeron.

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I'd love to believe that. In fact I'm gonna spend the next few days convincing myself that our new D-line coach and new DC wink.gif will force Grant and Smith to be the stud DE's I think they can be.

Yep, it wasn't Grant/Smith, it was Orgeron, yeah, Orgeron, thats what it was. wacko.gif
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 11:55 AM

Fuck Orgeron! I hope never steps foot back in Louisiana.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 12:16 PM

I'm on the fence with the thought of bringing in the D-line coach from Denver, their D-line is notorious for under achieving. Their line hasn't done anything, except for Dumervil. But of seems he had great success with Atlanta. Maybe it was just a difference in talent at his disposal.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (HornFan87 @ Jan 1 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm on the fence with the thought of bringing in the D-line coach from Denver, their D-line is notorious for under achieving. Their line hasn't done anything, except for Dumervil. But of seems he had great success with Atlanta. Maybe it was just a difference in talent at his disposal.


I was actually thinking - Denver and Atlanta? Those d-lines don't make up an impressive group...

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 02:53 PM

They drafted heavily at DL the last two years because they lacked so much talent. Maybe, it was youth holding them back, not their coach.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 03:31 PM

QUOTE (Saints Fan in Austin @ Jan 1 2009, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They drafted heavily at DL the last two years because they lacked so much talent. Maybe, it was youth holding them back, not their coach.


Maybe. But Moss hasn't been the least bit impressive and if I'm not mistaken, he has barely been on the field because of injury and lack of commitment. Either way, I still am on the fence.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 04:29 PM

It wasn't just Moss that they selected. Tim Crowder and Marcus Thomas haven't panned out. They also traded for the likes of Gerard Warren, who showed well in his first year there. Elvis Dumervil has worked out though!

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 05:11 PM

True, but Dumervil's like the Tasmanian Devil. Small guy who doesn't stop till the whistle blows. Not many players have his kind of motor.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 05:45 PM

Dumervil is a monster. Every time I start a franchise in Madden I sign him in FA and trade away Grant for a pick or two. If only our DE's had a motor like Dumervil. Damn.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 05:51 PM

Any guy who is small for the position is going to have a high motor.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Danno @ Jan 1 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd love to believe that. In fact I'm gonna spend the next few days convincing myself that our new D-line coach and new DC wink.gif will force Grant and Smith to be the stud DE's I think they can be.

Yep, it wasn't Grant/Smith, it was Orgeron, yeah, Orgeron, thats what it was. wacko.gif


What it sound like and what it
really is is two different things.


I still say show Gary Gibbs ass the door.
But...I don't think that is going to happen.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 11:54 PM

QUOTE (HM @ Jan 1 2009, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What it sound like and what it
really is is two different things.


I still say show Gary Gibbs ass the door.
But...I don't think that is going to happen.


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Neither do I... the next thing we'll hear is that Gibbs did a pretty darn good job considering the injuries and the DL coach that tried to change things up front defensively. glare.gif
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